RICK PORTER Supporter Chaplain [ Truckers Chapel ]-- Undeserving Child of God

Faith that works is what Paul is saying in Philippians 2:12, fear is respect for God and godliness, trembling is not living in fear of excommunication from " the church" but being humble and in prayer for strength from God, not ourselves.

The Catholic church also remits excommunication if their transubstantiation of the Eucharist is not taken, for one loses their salvation if they don't continually receive this "miraculous" rite.

This is salvation by man's dogmas and rituals, for again the scripture says salvation is through faith by grace only, Ephesians 2:8.

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Tim Maas Supporter Retired Quality Assurance Specialist with the U.S. Army

I am not a Roman Catholic. I copied the text below verbatim from the website https://www.catholicscomehome.org, which purports to present the Catholic Church's position on this issue, and which I offer without comment on my part:

"The Catholic Church does not now, nor has it ever, taught a doctrine of salvation by works…that we can 'work' our way into Heaven. Additionally, nowhere in the Bible does it teach that we are saved by 'faith alone.' The only place in all of Scripture where the phrase 'faith alone' appears is in James 2:24, where it says that we are not justified (or saved) by faith alone. The Bible says very clearly that we are not saved by faith alone. Works do have something to do with our salvation. Numerous passages in the New Testament that I know of about judgment says we will be judged by our works, not by whether or not we have faith alone. We see this in Romans 2, Matthew 15 and 16, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 20 and 22, 2 Corinthians 5, and many, many more verses. If we are saved by faith alone, why does 1 Corinthians 13:13 say that love is greater than faith? Shouldn’t it be the other way around? As Catholics we believe that we are saved by God’s grace alone. We can do nothing, apart from God’s grace, to receive the free gift of salvation. We also believe, however, that we have to respond to God’s grace. Protestants believe that, too. However, many Protestants believe that the only response necessary is an act of faith; whereas, Catholics believe a response of faith and works is necessary…or, as the Bible puts it in Galatians 5:6, 'For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love…' Faith working through love…just as the Church teaches."

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