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S. Michael Houdmann
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While there is no verse that says 'a third of the angels fell from heaven,' some verses, when put together, lead us to that conclusion. Sometime after their creation, and most certainly after the s...
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Len Thies
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The conclusion that Lucifer rebelled “after” Genesis 1:31 based on the fact that God declared in this verse everything is “very good”. This is a common misconception of Young Earth Creationists as to the timing of Lucifer’s rebellion against God for which the former was cast to the Earth. God as the Creator can only create or make things perfectly. The comments by God in Genesis 1 as to things are “good” or “very good” refer to the works of God during His restoration of the Earth, not to angels. Angels were created and the War in Heaven occurred before God’s works in the Earth because we find Satan in the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3. In the first three chapters of Genesis there is direct reference to the creation of angels or the War in Heaven therefore these two “events” must have occurred prior to the Restoration of the Earth. Matthew 25:40, 41 says, “40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Jesus as the “King” states for the record, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels”. This statement of Jesus is very important because it establishes the reason for Hell, that it wasn’t prepared for Man but rather for “the devil and his angels”. Why? Because they rebelled and were defeated according to Revelation 12:7-9, this War being prior to the advent of Man’s creation. Since the War is not mentioned as part of Restoration Week (Genesis 1:3-31), it could only have occurred before Genesis 1:3! Here is a quote from GodQuestions: “Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text. The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants. Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.” https://www.gotquestions.org/exegesis-eisegesis.html The author is guilty of “eisegesis” in this instance!
Jack Gutknecht
Supporter
The dragon was ejected out of paradise (Rev. 12:9), and he took with him 33% of the blessed messengers (Rev. 12:7, 9). They are discussed as "stars" in Revelation 12:4 (see additionally Dan. 8:10). This is clearly a reference to the fall of Satan (Isaiah 14:12-14), -- Dan. 8:9 Out of one of them [out of the four conspicuous horns that had come up toward the four winds of heaven] came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land. 10 It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.”
(Isa. 14:12-15--
12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit"),
when he and his hosts rebelled against God. Be that as it may, the ejecting out portrayed in Revelation 12:7-10 is yet future. ("Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, 'Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.'")
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